Ep:045 Born 1938 Lock Haven, PA, Richard Stevenson graduated Lock Haven State College, did graduate work in American lit at Penn State.  He joined the Peace Corps and fled grad school to teach English in Ethiopia 1962-64—He says it’s the best thing he ever did. Worked as Peace Corps program evaluator around the world 1964-67.  Ran the anti-poverty program in Pittsfield, MA, 1968-71.  Free-lance writer after that.  Wrote for magazines and newspapers, including 15 years as an editorial writer at The Berkshire Eagle, Pittsfield, MA.  Won New England AP Press Association award for editorials on gay marriage.  Wrote a thriller, GRAND SCAM (Dial, 1979) with Peter Stein.  Wrote the 16 Strachey books under the name Richard Stevenson, starting with DEATH TRICK in 1981.  Four of them filmed by HereTV.  He has been reviewing books regularly for The Washington Post for many years and continues to do so.

He has two children, both excellent human beings now in their forties, one a teacher, one a writer and musician.  He’s been with Joe Wheaton, sculptor and video artist since 1990.  Married since the first day it was legal in MA in 2004.

Killer Reunion by Richard Stevenson

New Man in Town by Edward Kendrick



Brad Shreve 0:01
Welcome to Gay Mystery Podcast featuring interviews with renowned LGBTQ authors, and up and coming talent of mystery, suspense and thriller novels. I’m your host Brad Shreve. And Justene is here with her weekly recommendation. My guest is going to be Richard Stevenson today and there’s a fun conversation I had with him. But before that, we have Justene with her weekly recommendation.

Justene 0:31
Hi, Brad. How are you today?

Brad Shreve 0:33
I am doing okay today and

Justene 0:38
pandemics got to huh?

Brad Shreve 0:39
the pandemic has gotten to me, I’m going stir crazy. I look outside, it’s blue, beautiful blue day and I’m thinking I should be outside. I should do that. So maybe I’ll go for a walk. But other than that, I’m feeling like the walls are closing in on me. That’s right. But actually no, I’m sorry for our listeners. I’m doing fantastic.

Justene 1:00
Yeah, yeah, that’s it. Well, by the time they hear this, you will be back to fantastic. exactly those. Those pandemic blues don’t last very long.

Brad Shreve 1:08
No, they don’t. What you got for us?

Justene 1:12
I have a book by Edward Kendrick. Now I have read several Edward Kendrick books over the years. And I went and I looked to see just how many books he’s done because I wasn’t sure I’d read all of them. I probably read about 8 – 10. Turns out he said, guys started counting and I stopped counting at 40 books. He has been very prolific. He’s been writing since 2011. And he’s got something in there for everybody. You know, he’s got some, some shifter books. He’s got some romance and some erotica, but he does some really good mysteries. And his newest mystery is called New Man in Town. And it’s a it’s a traditional cozy mystery. Wiley moves to a new town. He’s was a part owner of a PI agency gives it up feeling burnt out his grandfather left in the house. So he moved to the small town where his grandfather lives takes over the house. And shortly after he gets there woman goes missing and then a few days later, another woman goes missing. And he’s the prime suspect. And even though you know, he didn’t do it, that you know, the the suspects were all the town. Anybody in town, including the police chief could be guilty. And it’s it’s got that traditional cozy mystery setup. You know, really little romance, but it’s not, you know, not the fact of the story. No sex which is, you know, good. mainstay of cozy mysteries. He’s got his neighbor that helps him Gary lives two doors down. And he’s also got Carl, who is the local jack of all trades to paint his living room is pulling up his carpet and Carl an older, gruff, straight man. And the three of them make a nice little investigative team. And they set out to solve the mystery. A little bit of danger, a lot of more intrigue, a little bit of romance, and a lot of good reparte between the three men. Yeah.

Brad Shreve 3:26
It sounds like a cozy that goes a little bit beyond.

Justene 3:30
Ah, maybe but I gotta say, you know, books that stretch the cozy mystery have been pretty regular in the gay mystery category. We’ve got Marshall Thornton’s Pink’s Video series switches a cozy but you know doesn’t always fit the exact mold. You’ve got those Mister Puss mysteries by Michael Craft, that you know the cat’s kind of sort of maybe channeling talking to its owner. So they’ve all kind of stretched the boundaries of the traditional English cozy. Right, but still fall within the main rules. I give this one a crackerjack mystery. It hits on all on all fronts. A little nutty, a little sweet, a little salty. A little crunchy. Just a cracker jack mix.

Brad Shreve 4:19
I think it’s been a while since we’ve had a cracker jack. Yeah,

Justene 4:23
we it has been it has been It was a very easy, straightforward, fun read. Very quick read. It’s it’s a good time. And I think people will be happy they picked it up. And then you can pick up any one of Edward Kendricks 40 other books. But you know, his name really ought to be better known within the mystery circle than it is,

Brad Shreve 4:45
yeah, 40 books. Wow.

Justene 4:47
Yeah, that’s really great.

Brad Shreve 4:50
And do you have anything from ReQueered Tales this week?

Justene 4:53
Well, you know, ReQueered Tales has a lot of names you should know. We’ve been publishing Grant Michaels books. And his Stan Kraychik series we’ve done the first two Lev Raphael State University of murder mystery series. And we’ve got Nikki Baker her book has just come out her second book, The Lavender House Mystery. And we all have our mysteries are available on Kindle Unlimited, so you can pick them up and read them as many as you can.

Brad Shreve 5:23
Those are some of the greats so if you haven’t read those, I would definitely pick one up. Yeah, I’ve been working my ass why I haven’t been reading a lot of the newer novels. I’ve been going through some of the older ones.

Justene 5:34
Yeah, it’s really and you know, we’ve done a mix of classics and new novels on the recommendations that I’ve been doing. So people have a wide range to choose from.

Brad Shreve 5:46
We’ll just sit back and listen to Richard Stevenson.

Justene 5:50
Sounds wonderful. See you next week.

Brad Shreve 5:52
Thanks. See you next week. That’s Justene. We’re sponsored by ReQueered Tales, preserving our LGBTQ literary heritage, one book at a time. Check them out every requeeredtales.com.

Brad Shreve 6:16
In 1962, Richard Stevenson fled grad school and joined the Peace Corps for five years. After that he ran the anti poverty program in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, and later became became a freelance writer. He wrote for magazines and newspapers, including 15 years editorial writer at the Berkshire Eagle in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. He won New England AP Press Association ation award for editorials on gay marriage. He has been reviewing books regularly for The Washington Post for many years and continues to do so. Richard has two adult children from a previous marriage. He’s been with Joe Wheaton, a sculptor and video artists since 1990. And they married in 2004. The First day it was legal in Massachusetts. Richard, it’s a pleasure to have you on Gay Mystery Podcast.

Richard Stevenson 7:06
It’s pleasure to be here. Thank you.

Brad Shreve 7:11
Well, I gotta tell you your bio is fascinating. But we’re not gonna talk about you right away. We’re gonna start off with the man himself. Donald Strachey. Latest, the latest Strachey novel, Killer Reunion, is the 16th in the series. Tell us about him who is Donald Strachey.

Richard Stevenson 7:29
He’s somebody who sprung into my hot little brain in 1979 and 80 when I thought that there was a need for a gay mystery private eye who was going to be in tune with the Zeitgeist of the late 70s, which was gay liberation, political liberation and a rejection of The way in particular in which gay people had been portrayed in fiction, and especially genre fiction, and particularly mysteries up to that point, which was that we were always pathetic victims and often were expected to commit suicide if we weren’t murdered. And we were a pretty sorry lot in mysteries up until that time, except of course for Joseph Hanson’s Dave Brandstetter mysteries, which really broke that old mold. But his his were pretty solemn. And I wanted to create a character that was more reflective of the high spirits of the late 70s and early 80s. And so I made up Strachey basically, you know, I read Gregory MacDonald, where I got some of the likeness of the social comedy. And I read Raymond Chandler. If you read Death Trick, the first novel in the Strachey series, you’ll see that the opening scene as, as a friend pointed out, I didn’t even realize it at the time is almost a plagiarism of the opening scene of the Big Sleep. So Strachey, served that purpose in gay lit for me. And also, he was a kind of Alter Ego for me and lived a life that I like to fantasize about when I was writing the books.

Brad Shreve 9:38
Well, you mentioned to me that you have a plan for a pandemic era Strachey novel to release next year.

Richard Stevenson 9:49
That’s the plan. That’s the plan.

Brad Shreve 9:51
I know how that goes

Richard Stevenson 9:52
yeah, yeah. Yeah

Brad Shreve 9:55
The reason I brought it up is next year is the 40th anniversary of the series. And I’m curious about the timeline over those 40 years how much time has passed in Strachey’s life?

Richard Stevenson 10:07
Well, not very much. A number of readers have pointed this out. I made him my age when the book came out, which was a little past 40. And the idea was that Strachey and his boyfriend from the very beginning Timothy Callaghan would age at the same rate that I aged. But my editor at St. Martin’s at the time, Michael Dennity was very clear. He said, No, your readers are not going to want to read about some old fart detective. And so you can’t age these guys. So I didn’t. And in the most recent book, Killer Reunion, there’s just a passing mention that 40 years almost 40 years later, they’re only in their mid 50s. So Eventually I think I will. I’m 81 myself and I know what aging looks like. I’ve been pretty lucky so far, but there’s always next week and I think eventually I will have them have my characters face some of the difficulties and pleasures of aging but but for the moment they’re still in their sprightly mid 50s.

Brad Shreve 11:29
Well, you made it a little more real than Sue Grafton did her whole series A through Y, Kinsey Millhone. Or Milhorne. I can never remember name exactly right. Her character only aged like I think three years over that whole period. that’s a that’s a lot of detective work in a very short amount of time.

Richard Stevenson 11:50
It sure is. I have I haven’t quite managed to come up with that much chutzpah as a writer

Brad Shreve 11:59
well In 1981, when Death Trick came out, Donald and his partner Timothy Callahan, I found this very interesting when I read the novel that they aren’t strictly monogamous, which some readers were surprised I’ve read in some of the reviews, but I believe it was true to the era. So how has their relationship changed and developed over that time?

Richard Stevenson 12:22
They did, as couples struggle over the whole question of monogamy or not in the early books, and then later on as they become became more secure with each other. It just wasn’t an issue anymore. There wasn’t much that went on outside relationship. Although in one of the books, The 38 Million Dollar Smile, which is set in Thailand, there’s some really interesting scenes where they visit a gay bathhouse in Bangkok. But for the most part, as they have aged into their 50s they, it just isn’t a big deal anymore. It’s just as come up as an issue. It’s one of those issues that every every gay couple thinks about talks about and has rules about, and they’ve managed to work it out very comfortably over the years. It’s just not a big deal.

Brad Shreve 13:27
Donald and Timothy spend some time in Bangkok and I know you and Joe frequently go to Bangkok. Is it every year that you go?

Richard Stevenson 13:35
we have gone every year almost every year for the last 14 years for two or three or four months. And we have friends there. We we love Thailand and love Bangkok. And it’s just one of the one of the most wonderful places in the world and it looks as though we won’t be going on this coming winter. Because of the virus. First of all, the Thais sure will not let us in. They are not letting anybody and Americans in particular are practically lepers in the world now because of the way the virus has been mishandled here. So I think we won’t be going this year but I hope we’ll be able to go in the following year. It’s a great place to be gay. Thais are pretty comfortable with it. There. There are some old Chinese Thai families that are more conservative but by and large, the Thais pretty easygoing people in most areas of life they, the society works people get their work done, but they have a belief in the importance of sun nuke is the Thai word which means fun, but it also doesn’t mean just fun, but it means get up in the morning and do what you need to do. And Enjoy it as thoroughly as possible with other people. So that that’s what draws us there. plus, plus, of course, the climate. In the winter, the New England winters are not so great as some of your listeners will know.

Brad Shreve 15:19
I grew up in Michigan, I remember them well, and I’m very glad to be in Los Angeles.

Richard Stevenson 15:24
I’ll bet

Brad Shreve 15:26
we’re going to talk more about you, Richard. But I wanted to bring up that you’ve had the honor of being a writer of gay fiction, who’s had stories were adapted for film on Here TV. It was for the Donald Strachey novels, is that correct?

Richard Stevenson 15:39
That’s right four of them were filmed. This was about eight to 10 years ago, and they’re they’re available. You can look them up and get hold of them or even find them on Here TV is the entity on which they appeared. It’s a rather small Limited obscure cable channel that doesn’t appear on many, many systems. And they did for they did Third Man Out, Ice Blues, Shock to the System and one other one whose name escapes me. And it was a you know, a mixed experience for me, the great Lawrence Block said when your any of your books are filmed, you can’t really expect them once they appear on the screen to be your book, just you know the whole vocabulary, the whole structure. The whole way of putting a narrative together is just too different. But while you can hope for is that they will be any good. And of the four that were done, I would say one was good enough. And two were not good at all. And one I have not looked at Ice Blues. It’s one of my favorite books in the series. And some friends said, Don’t look, it’s so awful. And other friends said, Oh, it’s really the best of the four. So I’m, I’m torn about that. The one thing I will say is that even though the scripts were awful, I had nothing to do with it. They kept me at a long arm’s length. The scripts were awful, and a lot of other things were awful. They looked as though they’d been made for about $1.85 or something. But Chad Allen as Strachey he was really just perfect. He’s not the Strachey in my head. But he’s a kind of now alternative Strachey that I sometimes see in my head when I’m writing because he was so good and brought such talent and humanity and intelligence to the role. So I was lucky that that happened. I didn’t make much money. It was a real. They were a bunch of cheapskates that company, but it sold some books and introduced the books to a whole new generation of readers. And overall I’m glad it happened.

Brad Shreve 18:13
Now Lawrence Block, who is one of my absolute favorite mystery writers, his character Bernie Rhodenbarr in The Burglary series was made into a movie called Burglar. And they changed Bernie into Bernice and it starred Whoopi Goldberg. Oh. And he said, I don’t know why they did it. But I’m not a screenwriter. I don’t make movies. I write books.

Richard Stevenson 18:37
Yeah, yeah. Raymond Chandler, somebody said to Raymond Chandler. Isn’t it awful? Mr. Chandler, what Hollywood has done with your books. And he said, Hollywood, didn’t do anything to my books. They’re right up there on the shelf. So that’s that’s basically a good way of looking at it.

Brad Shreve 18:56
That is a good way to look at it. And I do want to let people know In yourself know it, I guess it is on here TV, which is not in a lot of markets. But I also found it on YouTube and it’s not free on YouTube, you have to pay extra for it. Oh, if anybody wants to see the movies, they’re there.

Richard Stevenson 19:13
Yeah, I would say the one to watch if you’re gonna watch any is the first one Third Man Out. The book, I think is one of the best in the series. And the movie was pretty good too. It was the script for that one was written by friend MarK Saltzman and he did a great job.

Brad Shreve 19:33
And we’re going to talk more about you now in in the intro. I said that you left grad grad school in 1962 and worked in Peace Corps for five years. You said the the first two years were teaching English in Ethiopia and that was the best thing you ever did. Do tell.

Richard Stevenson 19:51
Oh, sure. Yeah, I was in grad school at Penn State and I always wanted to write but you know You can’t just announce to the world but you’re a writer and get a job doing that. And I sort of thought I might like to teach too. But the thing I was feeling most severely was the need to be connected to the larger world. I had volunteered for JFK, when he ran for president, as a college student, I went door to door and, you know, was sort of caught up in the whole idea of the United States, connecting with the larger world and some, you know, useful and good way. And I wasn’t sure that I had the skills that were needed. But I went out and recruiter came to Penn State, I said, Do you need English teachers? And she said, Oh, yes. And so less than a year later, I found myself in rural Ethiopia. And it was it was great. It was hard. It was complicated. But it did what it what I wanted to do, which was to make me feel as though I was doing something useful and at the same time contributing to my own education of the world and of the people in the world. It was terrific. And then after two years, I was very lucky to get a job back operating out of Peace Corps headquarters in Washington, as a program evaluator, which meant I traveled around the world throughout Africa and Asia peering over the shoulders of other Peace Corps volunteers to see what they were doing and how they were doing and what they thought about what they were doing. And then trying to find ways to improve the programming and recruiting and training and so forth. So that was my, you know, my formal education. I do value I had some wonderful teachers over the years, but my peace corps experience was my greatest education and I gave Timmy in the Strachey books, a peace core background he was in the Peace Corps in India, which is one of the countries that I visited when I was an evaluator. So it’s been one of the central and enduring good things in my life.

Brad Shreve 22:18
Sounds like an awesome opportunity. I’m glad you took advantage of it.

Richard Stevenson 22:22

Brad Shreve 22:23
Well, we’re gonna now it’s time for awkward questions that authors get. Oh, I didn’t warn you about this. Well, I’m gonna do I’m gonna spin a wheel. And when it’s done, we’re going to get question that sometimes authors get that are they can be just plain awkward. They may take us aback and sometimes it may be downright rude. So

Richard Stevenson 22:50
I have some experience. rudeness.

Richard Stevenson 22:55
Hope I don’t have to be rude back.

Brad Shreve 22:57
Oh, no. I will see you Get a rude one. Okay, sit here and I’m gonna spin the wheel.

Brad Shreve 23:09
Okay, your question I can more safely say it’s not a rude one.

Richard Stevenson 23:14
I’m relieved.

Brad Shreve 23:17
You’re in fact, it’s not too hard. The question is, why don’t you get a real job?

Richard Stevenson 23:26
That’s a good one. Well, the answer is too late now. I did have a real job. Well, my peace corps jobs were real jobs. And when I ran the community action agency in Pittsfield, Massachusetts in the late 60s, that was, that was a real, real job. But since then, I’ve been lucky to have survived as a freelancer. You know, now I’m on social security and It’s, it’s almost it’s worked out. Okay. So too late for that. I went to a high school reunion in Lock Haven, Pennsylvania several years ago. And one of my classmates from the class of 1956 asked me if I was retired. And I said, from what? And and luckily, I don’t feel any need to retire from whatever it is I’ve been doing all these years. I still have my marbles and some energy and plan to keep at it. No real job for me.

Brad Shreve 24:39
Well, I think I think many of your jobs were real jobs, including writing itself, and you’ve done that well over the years.

Richard Stevenson 24:47
Well, I’ve been lucky enough to get away with it. You know, I arrived on the gay mystery scene at just the right time. In the early 80s, when there was A readership at a demand and publishers, mainstream publishers were, you know, paying decent money. And, you know now it’s all changed and everybody’s struggling and the market is fragmented and all that. So I really feel extremely lucky to have been there at just the right time and I My heart goes out to people who are struggling to do it. Now they’re the ones who have to get real jobs. Sorry.

Brad Shreve 25:31
I’m sure you were very close to Donald Strachey after all these years. But is there a reason you haven’t written another series during your career?

Richard Stevenson 25:40
Well, funny you should mention that. I actually am starting it in my in my advanced state of decomposition. Another series. I have written a private eye novels with a private eye Clifford Waterman. Set in Philadelphia in 1947, and I finished it not too long ago, and I know it’s sort of out there. And we’ll see what happens. I mean out there being looked at by publishers and agents and people like that. So we’ll see how that goes. I had a gay uncle, who lived in Philadelphia in that era, and he never came out to the family. And I only learned about his being gay later on, and I got very curious about his life in Philadelphia in the 1930s, and 40s and 50s. And so I did a lot of research and then was impelled to write a mystery set in that time and place, partly because it just seemed like a great situation for a noirish Private Eye story. What with the corrupt and brutal Police Department and the corrupt court system, the homophobia in hiring And all the rest of it, it seemed just wanting a gay private eye to show up in that setting. And he’s not like Strachey at all. And he couldn’t be because Strachey’s his head is in the late 70s. And this guy’s head really is in the late 40s. And gay people’s heads at that time were very different. So he struggles. Cliff Waterman struggles with being a rational man in an irrational homophobic place. And so I’m hopeful about that. Getting out into the world. In the coming year or so we’ll see.

Brad Shreve 27:43
Yeah, they’ll definitely be interested in a totally different feel to it. I’m sure. It was a dangerous time. Yep. Yep. Always looking over their shoulder.

Richard Stevenson 27:53
The research was interesting. I was very lucky. guy named Mark Stein wrote a book came out maybe 20 – 25 years ago for Temple University Press called City of Sisterly and Brotherly Loves: Gay Philadelphia 1940 – 1972, something like that. And it was full of he did interviews. So it was full of the voices of the time of people remembering what it was like. And it was so useful. And then I did other research too, and really got into the feeling and the atmospherics of the time so I’m hopeful about that. And it was something that I was apprehensive about starting I thought, Oh, if I start this is just gonna sound exactly like Strachey. And it didn’t, you know, the situation we had other requirements, and I observed them. So anyway, here’s hoping

Brad Shreve 28:55
I look forward to it. So in Killer Reunion, Donald and Timothy have to contend with a family reunion. It’s Timothy’s family, I believe. And it’s a politically outspoken relatives that they’re dealing with. Something tells me today’s political climate inspired much of that fighting in the novel.

Richard Stevenson 29:18
Well, you’re very keen.

Richard Stevenson 29:22
Yeah, I actually attended a family reunion in Pennsylvania, Central Pennsylvania a couple of years ago. And all the members of my family that I know of are, you know, Liberal Democrats, and some remote cousins that we had not never been in touch with. Somebody discovered them in Cincinnati, connected with a family and wanted to come to the reunion and they did and it turned out they were Trump supporters that it was very awkward. And anyway, that got me to thinking that what if there’s a family reunion I think what Typically there are families that are more evenly divided. And I thought, well, what if there’s a family reunion where the Trump people and the anti Trump people really get at get into it. And there’s a murder. And is the murder really just political or is it all family stuff going on here? Or what’s it about? And I came up with a plot. And it was very fun to write it said in a country in where the family gets together in the Berkshires where I live in western Massachusetts. And it’s called Killer Reunion. And it’s the most recent book in the series. And it’s fun. I think

Brad Shreve 30:43
I’ll have a link to the book in the show notes so people can take a look at it.

Richard Stevenson 30:48
Oh, thank you.

Brad Shreve 30:50
Have you been politically active over the years?

Richard Stevenson 30:53
Ah, we have actually been serious about it. And we were deeply involved in Berkshires Stonewall community coalition for many years, especially in the gay marriage battles in Massachusetts, which became highly politicized and we won that. And we’ve also volunteered for John Kerry and Obama last year or three years ago, we went to New Hampshire for Hillary. You know, Trump said, he said, oh, they’re all those illegals being bused into New Hampshire to vote. Well, they weren’t going up there to vote. They were people like us who were going up to in buses to knock on doors. And so anyway, yeah, and this year, you know, we’ll do it again. You know, Need I say more? All our lives depend on it

Brad Shreve 31:48
Should be a busy year for a lot of us, that’s for sure.

Richard Stevenson 31:50
Yep. Yep.

Brad Shreve 31:52
What do you find is the hardest thing about writing?

Richard Stevenson 31:56
Oh, boy. Well, getting started you There’s that terrifying blank page when you think oh, I don’t remember how to do this, you know that first first page and think, oh, it says, oh, I’ve never done this before. And that’s the hardest part. Once I get going, it’s not hard. But you know, having some kind of clear or semi clear idea of how to start is the hardest part for me. I you mentioned earlier that I was working on you might even have said a new Donald Strachey book that in the pandemic era, and I have to say that all I have is a bunch of little slips of notes on the backs of Dunkin Donuts, receipts and things like that. And it’s, it’s it’s that time again when when you have to look at the empty now computer screen and put something on it. But I think I can do it. I think I can I think I can.

Brad Shreve 33:06
But I generally don’t get into the mechanics of of writing. I’m not sure all the readers are interested in that. And it’s generally comes out the same but I am really curious with you. Do you outline?

Richard Stevenson 33:18
a very rough outline, very sketchy outline just enough to get me going. And I might or might not stick with what I have outlined a few times I have just sort of plunged in, I had a good first page or, you know, situation, a bunch of characters and so I just plunged in and, and then rewrote as I went along, but I’ve done it various ways. And I know different writers are very meticulous in the way they do outlines and then there are people who just, you know, meander around and then tidy up afterwards and I’ve done it both ways, and I do whatever works at the time. Yeah.

Brad Shreve 34:05
When new writers ask me about should you outline and not I’m like, Stephen King doesn’t outline and JK Rowling does they both seem to do pretty well for themselves. So you decide for yourself.

Richard Stevenson 34:18
Yep, you do it works.

Brad Shreve 34:21
So before I let you go, I want to ask that you’ve spent 40 years in the gay mystery genre. Yeah. How do you view the future of the genre?

Richard Stevenson 34:30
Well, it seems to be very healthy. Everybody’s doing it. I mean, I don’t think anybody’s making much money these days. But with small publishers struggling along and people self publishing. And occasionally one of the mainstream publishers put something out but it’s very rare now. But it you know, it seems very healthy. Yeah, it’s a kind of an embarrassment of riches. is really the only problem is I get people to have to keep their day jobs. That’s That’s a shame. But, you know, mysteries generally the whole genre, I think, has a great future. It’s it’s one of the genres that seems to have a sizable following through every era through thick and thin. And there will always be gay, lesbian, bi, queer people who want to read about people like themselves. So I’m optimistic about it happening, and hope that people can find other ways to survive.

Brad Shreve 35:49
I’m glad you see a bright future in that I do too, as well for basically the same reasons that you gave. So again, I want to let people know that I’ll have a link in the show notes to Killer Reunion your latest Donald Stratchey novel. And I want to thank you for your time. It’s been a pleasure speaking with you, Richard.

Richard Stevenson 36:07
It’s been my pleasure, Brad. And thank you and good luck with your books. I told you I just read A Body in a Bathhouse and enjoyed it a lot and recommended and recommended highly. It’s a good mystery and it also, as I mentioned to you, I you know, I think of my own books as being social comedies as much as mysteries. And I thought that yours had a lot of those elements in A Body in Bathhouse did so. Congratulations to you.

Brad Shreve 36:40
Well, thank you and the 20 bucks will be in the mail next week.

Richard Stevenson 36:43
Oh, $20 there earlier you said $27.50.

Brad Shreve 36:49
Well, shipping charge, okay and taxes.

Richard Stevenson 36:53
Okay, thanks a lot.

Brad Shreve 36:54
So much. I appreciate it. Hit the subscribe button. Wherever you hear our show, so you don’t miss a single episode. Tell a friend too thank you for listening

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