Ep:042 Mark Zubro is the author of thirty-seven novels and eight short stories. His book A Simple Suburban Murder won the Lambda Literary Award for Best Gay Men’s mystery. Eight others of his books have been nominated. One of the keys in Zubro’s mysteries is you do not want to be a person who is racist, sexist, homophobic, or a school administrator. If you are any of those, it is likely you are the corpse, or, at the least, it can be fairly well guaranteed that bad things will happen to you by the end.
He taught eighth graders English and reading for thirty-four years. He was president of the teachers’ union in his district from 1985 until 2006 when he retired. He now spends his time reading, writing, napping, and eating chocolate
Unhollowed by Jordan L. Hawk
Brad Shreve 0:01
Welcome to Gay Mystery Podcast featuring interviews with renowned LGBTQ authors, and up and coming talent of mystery, suspense and thriller novels. I’m your host Brad Shreve. And Justene is here with her weekly recommendation I’m excited about my interview today with Mark Zubro but before as we always begin we have Justene with her weekly recommendation what you got for us Justene?
Well, I’ve got a great new book just was released on the 17th of July by Jordan L. Hawk. Jordan has written the marvelous Whyborne and Griffith series. And if you don’t want spoilers for that first series, you should stop right now and race ahead to the interview because his new series is a spin off and it necessarily contains spoilers for the end of that series. It is the both series are set in the town of Widdershins, which is a fictional town in Massachusetts, outside Boston. Sounds like it’s probably close to the the Salem area of town. And as you might expect, there is a fair amount of supernatural stuff going on. And in the Whyborne and Griffith series, Whyborne was a member of one of the oldest families in town. And he worked at the museum. And then Griffin was a former Pinkertons agent who showed up and they get together and they discover all sorts of magical things. It’s the The world is a fantasy world. And Widdershins itself, which is what carries over to the new series is a town that sits on one of the arcane air arcane lines of the earth, and there’s a permanent mouth from under the ground. Now, in the first part of the current series, As the book is called Unhallowed. And it starts out with, you know, description of the characters and what’s going on. And what’s happened is what has happened is that the end of the world was supposed to happen in 1902. There was a great big battle and it did not happen. As you can imagine Whyborne Griffin were on the winning side, and they were the good guys.
Brad Shreve 2:23
I noticed that didn’t happen.
It didn’t happen. So now we’ve got somebody coming to town who believes himself to be a monster. With some hint he might have been on the losing side, and he’s there to get a job in the library, which is attached to museum as a bookbinder. The other main character is an archivist at the museum, who was supposed to be the book binder, but he refused the task when his mother wanted him to follow in her footsteps. So he’s become an archivist. Be that as it may. So now he’s got This museum, we’ve got this guy, he shows up for bookbinder. And it turns out, he’s really there to steal document map the library. The town itself is an interesting town, because not only is it set on this are these arcane lines, but it is. It accepts same sex relationships. They don’t talk about the much but they also don’t talk about the vagaries of heterosexual relationships because the women in the town marry more than once. So that Sebastian Rath, the museum archives sister has three husbands, these husbands are all out to sea. And one comes in for a while, and is happy as you know, being part of the family, all the kids are created as his kids, although he’s only the biological father of a couple of them. And then he goes out and then the next one rolls into town with his ship. And so she’s got three husbands who kind of rotate through and they’re all perfectly happy with to arrangement
Brad Shreve 3:58
Sounds like a perfect setup to me.
Certainly is and the rest of the town doesn’t talk bad about them. So they You got it. perfect life and nobody has asked you for it.
Brad Shreve 4:08
What year is the story?
The story is set in 1910.
Brad Shreve 4:13
So they were very progressive,
very progressive. And it’s also the year of Halley’s comet. And so whatever this map is needed for is something that’s supposed to happen when the earth crosses through the tail of the comet. And there were a variety of other news reports of people who think crazy things and cults that are waiting for the end of the world and those sorts of things. So Halley’s Comet adds this extra mystical conspiracy theory edge to the book, but there are there is indeed real magic. However, what really drives this book home and I think you would like a lot, Brad, is this library. This is a huge library, because it needs to me because he’s got all the books and all the mystical arts and On the history of the town, but it’s also set up in a very strange way. It is a labyrinth, and it’s very easy to get lost. There are multiple levels and dead end passages. And there are rooms that aren’t even shaped as regular rooms there are kind of extra walls and they’re in rhomboid fashion. And then one of the room is known as a sheep room. And then the another one is a bat room with real bats, keeping guard over the books and eating all the insects in the place.
Brad Shreve 5:32
What a fun library to get lost.
It really is it really is. And the librarians all know that there’s there’s more to the world than meets the eye. And they’ve also got some of the more magical books on the lock and key.
Brad Shreve 5:48
Yeah, this sounds very much magical fantasy storyline.
It is but it’s a true mystery because bookbinders there to steal a map. And to give to this bad guy who’s had some threat to his making some threats. In the beginning, it’s only you make no you only know he’s making some threat towards the bookbinders brother. And so you know, there’s some kind of heist coming. And there’s a gang of bad guys. And the whole thing is a mystery set within a fantastical world. And I give this a fun recommendation Brad.
Brad Shreve 6:25
Fun. Have we had a fun recommendation before?
Oh, we’ve had lots of fun recommendations.
Brad Shreve 6:32
I can never remember what what’s on your list.
It’s on your list. That’s true. I haven’t they’re all going your TBR list. But Brad, and I think that you will really like this one because, you know, Sebastian, and Vesper Rune. Rune is the bookbinder. Sebastian is the one with the sister who’s works as museum archivist. They get together although there’s not very much a romance. It’s not the you know, gee I’m a falling in love with you, they kind of get together. If it goes like the Whyborne and Griffin series goes once now that they’re together, they’re going to go through the rest of the books together as a sort of crimefighting duel. Those are really my favorite. My favorite series where main characters are a couple and they respect each other. But you don’t have the unfailing love. Oh my god, I just you know, I just trust you. You know, they just they just work off each other quite well.
Brad Shreve 7:32
I like that too.
So this one gets a fun recommendation.
Brad Shreve 7:37
And do you have anything from Requeered Tales this week?
We’re coming out today with Sunday Best by Edward O. Phillips not quite a mystery, although it’s got a mystery in it. It’s really more of a misadventure. Chadwick is a Montreal lawyer who has gotten to a fair amount of trouble and he gets himself into a bit of a pickle accidentally this time actually, I think now they’re pretty much all accidental. And he gets himself out of it. It’s a Canadian series and it was also gets a fun recommendation if I was recommending those.
Brad Shreve 8:13
And just to make everything clear when Justene says today is the day that show releases, which is July 28 2020.
That’s right. That is the release date of Sunday Best. I think I calculated correctly.
Brad Shreve 8:27
Yes, you did. That’s the day this silver airs.
Brad Shreve 8:32
Okay, we’ll talk to you next week. Justene.
Sounds good. Thanks.
Brad Shreve 8:38
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Brad Shreve 8:58
Mark Zubro is the author of 37 novels and eight short stories. His book A Simple Suburban murder won the Lambda Literary Award for Best Gay Men’s Mystery. Eight others of his books have been nominated. One of the keys in Zubro’s mysteries is you do not want to be a person who is racist, sexist, homophobic or a school administrator. If you’re any of those it is likely your a corpse are at the very least it can be fairly well guaranteed bad things will happen to you by the end. He taught eighth graders English and reading for 34 years. He was president of the teachers union and his district from 1985 until 2006 when he retired he now spends his time reading writing napping and eating chocolate. Welcome, Mark.
Mark Zubro 9:47
Brad Shreve 9:49
How does it feel to be a legend?
Mark Zubro 9:53
I’m pretty ordinary. Most days if I’m napping eating chocolate. There’s there’s nothing too much legendary about that.
Brad Shreve 10:04
Well, the reason I bring that up is anytime I look up online, gay authors that you must read your name is always there. So you must have been doing something right or must be doing something right.
Mark Zubro 10:15
Thank you. Yes.
Brad Shreve 10:17
Question, your mystery novel from 1989 A Simple Suburban Murder started it all. It was your first book and won you a Lammy at the second annual Lambda Literary Awards, I guess that must have been exciting given it was your first novel?
Mark Zubro 10:31
Yes, it was wonderful. It made my year.
Brad Shreve 10:35
Tell us about that experience.
Mark Zubro 10:37
I couldn’t make it to the ceremony in Anaheim. And my parents, my older and younger brother and their wives lived in California. So they all went and I was still teaching school. You couldn’t take a personal day the last week of school. So it was a Friday night. And we’re back we’re playing poker with the with the other Teachers what I was actually doing. And my mom called, and let me know the good news. So it was really exciting. They said, my dad gave the acceptance speech. And he said, simply, we’re very proud of our son. And the crowd went wild, because that’s very important, especially back in ’89. That was something very significant. ’89 and ’90 Yeah, so it’s really cool.
Brad Shreve 11:29
In your A Simple Suburban Murder one of your Tom and Scott mysteries, correct? Now, they are a happy gay couple. That’s something you didn’t see much in writing in 1989.
Mark Zubro 11:41
No, when I sat down to write the book, I knew from the beginning. They were going to be a happy gay couple, because there weren’t any. Joseph Hanson’s guy who was depressed and at that time in his books, I believe, not coupled. And Richard Stevenson, his guy was getting coupled. I said no, from the beginning, these guys are going to be out. They’re going to be proud. And they’re going to be a couple and a happy couple. Certainly we did not see that on television or in the movies, and we still don’t see it very much in television, or the movies. You know, the the romantic comedy with the two gay men or lesbians, or any of the lbgt community. We still don’t see it very much. And that’s, I think there’s still a distinct lack and we can be the Jack character on Will and Grace and be the stereotype character. That’s more okay than I like.
Brad Shreve 12:52
It’s better, but a lot of times we’re still the the funny sidekick.
Mark Zubro 12:57
Yes, yes. I believe it was the gentlemen from Friends, the big computer nerd, I don’t know why I can’t remember his name but this moment after they close the show, he was on one of the talk shows and the talk show host said, Well, you know, oh, so many gay characters and the Friends guy said, Give me I’m not quoting exactly now. Give me romantic gay characters that work out happily. Maybe there are a few people critics in New York who are above it all gay critics in New York lesbian critics in New York, or above above it all, and all take it and that’s absolutely true. And the movie A Beautiful Thing out of about 10 – 15 years ago now, the two young men realize they’re in love. And then there’s one scene, three quarters of the way through the movie, and they’re in the park and it’s romantic into You know, the music is swelling, and they’re twirling each other around and dancing. And I said, That’s the first time I’ve seen us do that. And I want that. I want to see that as it’s important and it’s true and I there are happy gay couples. We knew that. But, getting us up on the screen, or getting us past whatever barriers in somebody’s head. I enjoy it. I loved it. I thought it was a great movie.
Brad Shreve 14:36
Well, you were ahead of your time.
Mark Zubro 14:39
Well, we got to start somewhere, I guess.
Brad Shreve 14:43
Agreed. So you’ve written 37 novels, and most of those have been adult mysteries such as your Tom and Scott series and your Paul Turner series. In recent years, though, it seems you’ve put more of a focus on writing young adult novels. What brought about that decision?
Mark Zubro 15:02
I the few gay young adult novels that are out there.
Mark Zubro 15:09
I’ve enjoyed. There’s just there I said, there’s just not enough of them. And again, I wanted a happy couple. Because even in many of the young adults, novels that are out there now, we still don’t get our happy ending and I’m afraid I am a sucker for a happy ending. Plus, I thought up. The idea came to me. For the first one, there’s there’s two series, The Shane series, Shane and Cory. And he just, for example, the idea for the latest one, so I woke up middle of the night, got some orange juice in the frigerator and I stood there I was watching the weather on TV and the plot for the third book in the series just came to me. It was just so clear. It was just I know, I rarely know how book ends when I start. I know how it ends. And that’s been the case with most of those young adult novels, they’re just clear, because I think younger adults in our community need a voice need to see themselves. Need what all I did not have and when I was a teenager back in the 60s and so and luckily I had plots come to me that worked. That made sense. So I started I’m working currently on the sixth one in that series. Excuse me. Third in that series, six young adult book.
Brad Shreve 16:52
I think that’s awesome. Now, Forever, which is part of the Shane and Cory mysteries. It was your latest book. It came out in March. Correct, yes. Tell us about Shane and Cory.
Mark Zubro 17:03
Well, Shane is a woodcarver, very quiet. The first book was gentle, because that’s what he wants to be now. And that’s what he wants to be as an adult. His parents are awful. I imagined what would it be like to be the gay child of lunatic, right wing morons. And so, instead, your children must be like something. So I said, Okay. My guy, my guy is wants to be gentle as an adult. And he has a couple role models. He goes to woodcarving classes that are our art center. And then Cory is the problem child in school. He’s the kind when you look at him You’d say, Oh, he’s the one that would shoot up a school. Well, of course they meet, they fall in love. I don’t think I’m giving too much away to say that. And, and the third one there is, in fact, a school shooting. And I’m not giving too much away. There’s just a very opening few pages. They in fact, have an alibi. It’s a perfect alibi. They were making out in the restroom of the school library when all the shooting started so they can alibi each other. Except Cory is very closeted. His parent is a big muckety muck lawyer in town, both his dad and stepmom are and like I said, Shane’s parents are lunatics. So he’s fairly closeted, too. So they’ve got to face among many, many things to prove they’re not guilty. They’ve got to admit what they were doing. In school, which was not right to begin with, and that could of course they come out and everybody knows. And in this day and age, Yes, I know. It’s very different. It can be very good. But they live in rural California. And their town is still filled with rural people that have unfortunate prejudices. So there’s a lot for them to work out. And to go through. Tthat’s the that’s the new one.
Brad Shreve 19:33
I would just say I used to live in the Central Valley of California and
Mark Zubro 19:37
Brad Shreve 19:39
Yeah. For those not familiar with California. It is not all Los Angeles and San Francisco.
Mark Zubro 19:44
No, no. And I put them east of Riverside out in the desert.
Brad Shreve 19:50
I know that very well.
Mark Zubro 19:52
Yes. Yes. It’s kind of Riverside. I lived in Riverside for four years. It’s Riverside is it would have been About 60 – 70 years ago, kind of quiet and desert, the freeway just coming in. that kind of thing.
Brad Shreve 20:08
We’re going to take a break here because it’s time for awkward Question of the week. And what I do is I spin the wheel, and you get an awkward question that sometimes they’re just difficult for us to answer Take, take us aback, sometimes can be blunt or rude, but there are questions that we frequently get that are sometimes difficult to answer. So you’re ready.
Mark Zubro 20:31
Brad Shreve 20:32
Okay. Hold on while I spin the wheel here.
Brad Shreve 20:40
Okay, yours isn’t so tough, but it you’ve almost answered it. But it is one that I guess it is hard for us to answer because you never know. The question is, where do you get your ideas?
Mark Zubro 20:52
Oh, oh my. When I started writing, there was among many things There was nobody getting even for gay people. Nobody. For me writing mysteries part of it is getting even part of it’s telling a good story, of course. But like I I’m working on my third book, while I’m working on the new Shane and Cory book, I’m also learning working on the third book in the Mike King, gay Private Eye series. And it was going to be about Illinois politics. Well, I don’t have to do with thing. I just opened the newspaper every day. And there it is, oh, if you’re a politician, working in the current White House and you happen to be gay, and there are occasional news stories about them. You don’t want to be in my next book, or in Ring of Silence, The last Paul Turner book. I’m still working on the new one, only 75,000 words, but no one before this Ring of Silence. We have all seen the video of the Chicago cop murdering that kid in the streets. So I said, Wait a minute. My cops are good guys. I’m only giving away the first two pages here. So they’re walking towards where I’ve imagined a cop to about to do the same thing starting to do the same. They get there 10 seconds before. And of course my guys are good cops. And so Paul Turner for various purposes he has a taser in his hands. He doesn’t think he tasers the cop. Just Of course, stop the shooting. And then Fenwick his partner that is straight partner in the booth wires, blocks, tackles the kid so he saves the kid. Then we get shot, just wounded and he He saves it. So in two pages, I’ve twisted around. But in Chicago and in most police departments, we know there’s a blue wall of silence. And they acted on the side of right. And so you know, that’s that makes it tough. With many people in the department, there’s a lot of people that don’t like that. So in the one I’m working on, now, people in the community, recognize them, some people in the community where they when they go out to investigate, and the people in the community, these are the hero kind of cops, they want somebody who’s going to do right at a crisis moment. I’m afraid that’s a very long answer to your question. No, oh, where do I get my so the idea is, many, many times simply from the newspapers, or who I’m getting even with, it’s true about administrators what we said in the opening They’re, oh my Yes. You don’t want to be a school administrator in my books? Oh,
Brad Shreve 24:08
yeah, I don’t know many teachers that enjoy their administrators. I don’t have to tell you that the 90s the world was a much different place in gay society. But have you ever experienced prejudice because of your books?
Mark Zubro 24:22
Now there’s a couple things. They’re a little bit long story and I’ve tried to cut them down. The first one. Every year school year at the end of the year, the last day of the year, I would have the kids write an evaluation. And in the evaluation, I would promise them I would not read it till after the school year was over, and I always kept faith with my students. And they could write anything they want. Of course, they were eighth graders. So the question always came up. Can we use swears there are certain things that are important eighth graders Who knows why. And so of course, I would say I, well, I can’t possibly give you permission. I’m a teacher. But again, I’m not reading them till after the school year closes. And I’ve never called anybody’s parents. One year one kid persisted, and another student said, yes, you can use them. Shut up. Okay, fine. So one year, the second year after the first book came out, little Brandon, probably the smallest kid in the class that year. He wrote in his evaluation, and they can evaluate anybody, other students, teachers, whoever they wanted. They could say good things, bad things, whatever. Okay. Brandon, hmmm two years after the books came out. He wrote, in part. I know Mr. Zubro is gay. I know because of the books he writes. He writes books with characters that are gay. I think what my dad said was right. What happen to gay people. A bullet hole in the head. We wonder where the Pulse nightclub shooter where any buddy who wants to do crazy? Is that where it starts with their parent? Everyday I used to walk to the store to get the newspapers every day. So one Saturday morning again a couple years after the books came out. Oh no. I gotta get the timeline right here. It was 20 years after the books came out. But two years after incidents happened in my parking lot here to my car. Every few months I would get a flat tire with a nail in the tire. And I asked the guy when I was replaced, I said Could this be sabotage? Oh, no, no. You drove through some construction site. Well, no, I hadn’t driven through. Maybe so thing happened one year. My car was moved to small compact. So as a number of people obviously, and my windshield was smashed. Well, I never put it together, I guess and just they were months apart. Well, 20 years later, I walked to the store. And the Saturday morning there was a woman there and she said, Oh, you’re Mr. Zubro, I, you know, I see former students and 20 years ago, 30 years ago, I don’t remember. So I asked her her name, and she told me and that was said, then the next morning she was there again. I thought this is a little odd, since she followed me out of the store, and she said, I’ve always wanted to apologize to you. I knew the boys who were doing all that damage to your car all those years ago. I didn’t think was right. I felt bad at the time. I just wanted to apologize. She was at least kind Enough to apologize. So I guess that’s something.
Brad Shreve 28:06
I would especially think being an English teacher I know teachers today that that don’t share with their students that they they write LGBTQ books. And you were featured in Chicago newspapers, there was no hiding what you did.
Mark Zubro 28:21
No, no, that all started the day, my editor called me and said, We’d like to offer you a contract. So that was in 1988. And there was an immense debate. Well, it wasn’t really a debate every single person I knew my parents, my best friend. My younger brother, everybody said, you should not use your real name. And my mother said it before she even know that there were gay characters in the books. Thanks, Mom. But I got mad, because I this is something I’m so proud of. I mean, this is a major New York publisher. This is real stuff. This is a real book I’ve really written. And I’m really going to get it really published a dream. It’s the closest I’ll ever come to winning the lottery. And they didn’t want to put my name on it. So I got mad. I said, not only is it going to be Mark Zubro, this is why Mark Richard Zubro is on all the St. Martin’s mysteries, because I was angry when it was somebody was suggested that somehow I should be ashamed. But of course, as you rightly, you know, asked, yeah, there are consequences. There were consequences for that. Danger in the parking lot, Brandon in his letter, although there even there are only two letters written to the superintendent. One woman was mad because a teacher was using these kind of characters as if then Okay, all of us now. writers. So if you’re a plumber, you can only have those kinds of characters. And if you’re a electrician you can only have those kinds of characters. I didn’t just nutsy stuff. And oh the other fellow but something. Oh, he’s I don’t remember exactly I was going to somehow, you know, the usual nonsense convert them. And by superintendent who, I don’t know either had a gay person in his family or he was just a good guy wrote back to both of them to the woman that’s no business of ours. I’m summarizing here and to the man. Mr. Zubro doesn’t talk about his private life in school, and that’s true if I talked about my private life, my classes would have been even more boring because it’s it’s I you know, I pride my you know, people say, Go with your strength. Well, I’ve learned over these many years. One of my strengths is being boring. kids would complain Mr. Zubro, this is boring I think, but you see, that’s what I’m good at. And they say, what do you do when you get home? I said, I read books and I write books. Sometimes I write books, then I read books. It doesn’t change. And it, unfortunately, still quite true. Or, fortunately, because I’ve got all these books written.
Brad Shreve 31:20
There you go. You remind me a lot of myself and my husband when we see somebody talk about the gay agenda, and we’re like, our agenda is we come home from work, and we watch TV and we make dinner and go to bed.
Mark Zubro 31:34
Yeah, that’s just an agenda count. I’d like to meet the third baseman of the Cubs and sit down and chat. Maybe do a little more than chat after that. Well, that might be an agenda, but that’s really more of a fantasy, I think.
Brad Shreve 31:51
Absolutely. You’re correct there. What changes have you seen in gay novels, specifically in crime novels since you started
Mark Zubro 32:01
Oh, it did much better. It did. Much more diverse. You the trans mysteries, he said there was a woman from Ohio who came to an event at the gay center in Chicago and it was 10 years. I don’t do events very much in more now. I have trouble remembering. Her book was good. I remember, um, or the main character was a trans person who owned a hair salon. It was good. I knew there’s just more diverse Of course, there’s all those Michael Nava novels that are suberb. Ellen Hart. fabulous, fabulous, right? She won the she was honored for the Lifetime Achievement Award by Mystery Writers of America. Ooh her books are good. Katherine V. Forrest to or just so much more. Diversity is the right word. To enjoy and then we’re in there so good. Oh, Ellen’s are just top top. And so are Katherine’s just good stuff. My highest rating for a book is run, do not walk to your nearest bookstore and buy this book. Ellen’s meet that, Katherine’s, Michael Nava’s. He just has written a new one for the first time in a long time. There’s a lot of good ones, oh Michael Craft. Just a lot of good stuff.
Brad Shreve 33:34
But one thing I’m curious about is you wrote a gay science fiction trilogy.
Mark Zubro 33:38
The Oh my Yes.
Brad Shreve 33:40
I’m intrigued by that.
Mark Zubro 33:43
Yeah. Oh, I love that trilogy. It. I know I’m prejudiced. It’s the best gay SciFi trilogy out there. I’m sorry. It I’m bragging. I know. And I know I was taught to be humble. And it came in I wrote the third book first, because a guy I was dating in the early 80s. He and I were out on Halloween and he commented, gosh, if Earthlings came to earth today, and we were walking up and down the streets of Boystown in Chicago, they’re changing that name soon. Good thing. We were walking up and down the streets, we made the made the crank, no one would believe an alien came because everybody was so dressed so differently and oddly and spectacularly. So I thought, oh, what if an alien came to earth and he was gay, and was chasing an evil criminal, this is other very hard work came to me and the alien chasing the evil criminal alien. He was an incompetent cop, so he got sent to the most dead zone. Part of the known universe of the galaxy excuse me, and so they meet. And my main character is a waiter in Chicago. And it just they meet and they fall in love of course. And there’s 270,000 pages later. I can’t possibly tell you the end. A true love and high adventure for 270 pages Oh my dangers abound, evil criminals, true love forever. Yep. Alien Danger is the title for the whole thing. And it starts with the last one is Alien Victory, Alien Home, Yes, thank you for asking. I do love those.
Brad Shreve 35:58
Sounds like a lot of fun.
Mark Zubro 36:00
The best review I had probably ever the guy I don’t, of course, I don’t remember his name. I use it for ads. He wrote new and in part he wrote, I’m not fond of science fiction. Again, I’m not quoting, but go buy this book. He said, it’s that good. So I was very happy about that.
Brad Shreve 36:24
So you’ve kind of already answered this question, because I think you said you have three books coming out. But what can we expect next from Mark Zubro?
Mark Zubro 36:32
Well see, that’s the problem. A couple of years ago, I just said, oh, let your imagination run wild. Well, so I’ve got the new Shane Cory. That’s about 5000 words done. The new Paul Turner 75,000 words done. I’ve got to do some revision in terms of current events, that’s going to take a little while. And then the new Mike King. I’ve got three openings written for that. About 10,000 words. Two have the openings go well together. One does not Unfortunately, when I that doesn’t go well together. It’s the one I’m most fond of. And it’s it’s politicians and it’s anti gay politicians. And it’s the atmosphere of criminality coming out of the White House. So 10,000 words. So that’s well started. And then hold I think today started fourth. I wrote, I write notes for things. I know I’ve got notes for new baseball player teacher one, but I don’t have an imagination for that right now. those other three Yeah. And I don’t know which one I’m going to get done first. The poor Paul Turner book has been sitting there for a year and a half. Just waiting for Oh, 5 – 10 thousand more words, but the Shane Corys came to me so clear. And, and the Mike King, the private eye. Oh, oh the politicians. There’s just so many suspects and people to mow down. One of those things. So yes, that’s what I’m working on trying to get something done.
Brad Shreve 38:25
You’re juggling a lot of balls.
Mark Zubro 38:27
Yeah. Not as many as I’d like. But that’s another story.
Brad Shreve 38:33
Well, Mark I’m, I really appreciate you accepting my offer beyond the show. And thank you very much.
Mark Zubro 38:40
Thank you again for having me.
Brad Shreve 38:46
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